Many atheists like Bill Nye the Science Guy also identify as
agnostics (video)--as atheists because they see no reason or evidence for belief in God,
and as agnostics because it cannot be proven that God does not exist. This last
point provides a favorite comeback for Christian apologists--“Sure, we can’t
prove God exists, but you can’t prove He doesn’t!”--and atheists usually grant this,
but I’m not sure they should.
Many of a scientific bent allow the apologists this point
for empirical reasons: We haven’t observed everything in the universe, so God
could be out there somewhere, in a distant galaxy, in the space between the
smallest of subatomic particles, perhaps racing along the strings that bind us. If God is a thing to be discovered, then we
really won’t be sure until every last nook and cranny of the great unknown has
been known.
On rational grounds, however, the arguments against the
existence of God are much tighter. One of the most well-known examples is
David Hume’s formulation of theodicy based on the supposed
attributes of God:
"Is he willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is he impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then is he malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?" (Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion)
In other words, because evil exists, we know that God, if
such a being exists, cannot be what people say God is: omnipotent and good. To
build upon that, if there is a being out there who is extremely powerful but
falls shy of omnipotent and isn't benevolent, then we would not call that being God. Therefore,
God as we think of such a being, does not exist.
God is fraught with other paradoxes as well. If God is out
there in the universe somewhere and involved with the world--walking his dog
behind the Ring Nebula, curing a loved one’s sickness, or opening up a slot at
the local daycare when you really need it--then God would be subject to the
limitations of space-time. Even to break the rules of nature--like by stopping
the sun as in Joshua 10:13--God would have
to do something to break the rules, have to exert a certain kind and degree of effort to get the job done, have to put him/herself out. And none of this is coherent with the
idea of God as limitless and subject to nothing but divine will.
It solves nothing to posit a God outside the universe,
because then God would have absolutely nothing to do with us--and that doesn’t
fit our idea of God either. But what about a God outside the universe, but one
who reaches in to fiddle around? No, then you are back to a God subject to the laws of reality, at least to some degree.
Ontological arguments for the existence of God, abandoned by
serious theologians centuries ago but still popular among charlatans on the speaking
circuit, attempted to prove the existence of God by his very definition. They
said the definition of God, the idea of God, includes his actual existence, so
the very fact that we have an idea of God must mean he exists.
The case I’m making is sometimes called the Reverse Ontological
Argument, because it seeks to disprove God’s existence by the very definition
of the word. In defining God as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, benevolent,
limitless, absolute, absolute other, and so forth, we give rise to logical
contradictions.
Such a being cannot
exist if we take reason seriously.
I suspect that the reason Nye and other prominent atheists don’t
often bring up such ontological objections is they aren’t primarily philosophers.
Their books mostly stick to their respective areas of expertise. Also, public
debate isn’t encouraging of dense, abstract arguments.
Not being the world’s greatest philosopher, I have probably
missed weaknesses in such rational arguments. A formula like Descartes’ cogito ergo sum seems about as watertight as a first principle could be, but
great minds have found holes in it. At the very least, rational
arguments make a strong case for ruling out the existence of certain kinds of
gods--any gods worth the name anyway--and it's a point I wish atheists were more willing to press.
Can't argue on any point you made. You seemed to have made a pretty airtight argument on your own and you don't need any support from me on this, so I will just clap and say "well done".
ReplyDeleteThanks. It's an issue I get to a lot, so if you think of anything else to say, there will be plenty of opportunities!
ReplyDeleteI could decide to take the opposite viewpoint just to exercise my ability to debate, but I am way too lazy. And since we have the same core beliefs in this area, I would have to say that I can not argue with pure logic.
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